Hi all,

I recently started my IT study and got into a discussion with my teacher about the security of IOS.

He is one of those “apple fanboys” and said it is nearly impossible to RAT an iPhone. I did not agree with this and after a long discussion in class he challenged me to show him otherwise. Does anyone know a good tool to demonstrate that Ios isnt as safe as he claims it is? I have an old Iphone 13 laying around wich I can use as test object.

~Noa

  • ManWithoutUsername@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    I hate apple, and everything around it, company politics, forms, everything…

    But the reality is that iphone in terms of security,privacy in mobile phones are the best.

    Surely much of that merit comes from the disaster that companies that sell Android phones make, but that’s how it is.

    It’s hard? yes, nearly impossible no. Their security has been breached at least two or three times that I remember.

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    1 year ago

    The closed nature of iOS does provide an extra layer of security. But I don’t know about “almost impossible”, I would only go as far as “more difficult than Android”.

    Don’t waste your time with that argument. It’s futile and it’ll be fruitless. People that preach for a brand (be it Apple or any other in any field) are way more close-minded than iOS itself.

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      1 year ago

      Yeah that’s the issue here. The wording of it. If the teacher actually said “nearly impossible” then he’s technically correct because he left it open to interpretation. You can definitely say it’s harder than Android, but the reasoning behind that is then where it gets messy again.

      The only reason it’s harder is because iOS is, as you said, very close-minded. Obviously it’s more secure because you can ONLY do what iOS approves. This also has other issues that arise.

      What’s more interesting to me is someone working in IT that pushes for Apple products… then again I wonder if the teacher is actually an “Apple fanboy” as the OP says, or if the teacher was simply stating that iOS is more secure, which again it is. Then the OP took that was “Apple fanboy” because something was said that he doesn’t agree with.

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    1 year ago

    I have always looked at it this way. I can make a phone 100% unhackable. You will not be able to make phone calls or texts or anything else with it, but its unhackable. So iPhone is very secure on the grand scheme of things, but you are also hamstrung with what you can/cannot do with it. Android, if you can dream it, you can do it. It is much less secure, but there are very few restrictions you have with it. Thete is inherently nothing wrong with either, they both have their niche. My wife has an iPhone, but it does everything she needs with it, and is very secure, I dont have to worry about her getting hacked because of her phone. I use Android, but I know/ understand what the risks are, and mitigate them as much as possible. I use my Android for work and play in ways that the iPone is incapable of. Yes, the iPhone can/has been hacked but not very easily and not without help from the user.

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    1 year ago

    Pegasus spyware took advantage of a very old x-pdf reader, this allowed for executing assembler code (yes that very old way of programming) inside of the phone’s sandbox until it could escape the sandbox by creating an actual vm with it’s own registry inside the phone.

    So it it possible to hack anything? Yes. But easy? not at all.

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    1 year ago

    It is nearly impossible. You have to be the Mossad or some state actor to just RAT IOS. Maybe do better and don’t get in arguments with your professors next time

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    1 year ago

    Problem is your teacher isn’t entirely off here.

    An iPhone can by default only install applications from app store. Contrary to Android where you can allow third party apps. There’s good advantages of that since. You can get what’s virtually youtube premium for free for example. And alot of apps that you can’t get for iPhone.

    But iPhone can get exploited by the right zero days. So can android ofcourse. So in a sense you’re more safe with iPhone simply because you have handcuffs on already as a user

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    1 year ago

    Google checkrain not exactly what you’re looking for but does speak to a serious flaw in Apple hardware up to the iPhone 11 I think it was?

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    1 year ago

    Don’t make a bet that you’re not sure of, and then when someone asks for proof, you ask other people for proof. Good on you for standing your ground I guess but you clearly don’t know about the security of them or you wouldn’t be here. Apple has bounties of hundreds of thousands of dollars, even up to 1 million I think, for people to bypass their security.

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    1 year ago

    lol yeah man good luck. Nobody that can RAT an iPhone in /tech support is going to tell you how to do so. They’ll probably read this, chuckle, and then move on from the post. Enjoy apologizing to your teacher.

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    1 year ago

    I recently started my IT study and got into a discussion with my teacher about the security of IOS.

    Read this and got all ready to read and reply about the long and sordid tale of Cisco’s Internetworking Operating System and its security…the OG IOS.

    Hrmph, boring phones…

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    1 year ago

    So, you spoke out of turn about something to somebody more knowledgeable, and you’re here to save face?

    Only way out of this is to bring your teacher an apple with a rat sticker or something. Make it into a mutual joke so you’re not the butt of it.

    Sure, they can be compromised, but your teacher is more/less correct on this one. You’d have to jailbreak and install something with a payload. I’m not even certain a 13 can do that. And if you get there, it’s firmly in use error territory that it gets pwned.

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      1 year ago

      Teacher: Apple is almost unhackable

      OP: Nuh, uh - you are wrong. I know you are wrong.

      Teacher: How am I wrong?

      OP: Uhh…

      at home

      OP: Reddit this guy is totally wrong but idk how, how do I prove it

      Lmao this whole situation is an important lesson in staying humble

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    1 year ago

    I’d suggest not calling your teacher out unless you have some specific first-hand knowledge and can back up your claims. Your teacher could go online and ask about iOS exploits himself, I don’t think that was the challenge.

    If he had said it’s “impossible”, you could point out that nothing is unhackable, but that’s not what he said.

    Apple has a pretty good bug bounty program https://security.apple.com/bounty/categories/

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    1 year ago

    So you don’t agree … but you have to come ask here to prove you right? Seems to me like you’re talking out of your ass even more than your teacher is.